EXCLUSIVE: Nawab Khair Baksh Marri Interview Part II


Dear All,

I wish to deeply thank you for your overwhelming interest in the interview of respectable Baloch leader, Nawab Khair Baksh Marri. The interview was very positively received in various quarters. Certain parts of the interview triggered a debate besides being reproduced by hundreds of newspapers, websites and blogs. In a relatively smaller write-up, I wish to present some of the frequently asked questions that people keep posing about Nawab Marri. Like many of you, I was also curious to seek the answer to these questions. This is not a professional interview. Rather, most of them are randomly put queries. Yet, I am sharing these short questions and their answers.

MALIK SIRAJ AKBAR: Why have you observed so much silence? Why have you not participated in active politics or spoken to the media for so long?

Nawab Khair Baksh Marri: It is not as if that I would deliberately like to keep silence. The problem is that the state as well as its media are intolerant towards my views. When the new constitution of Pakistan was being framed, Khan Abdul Wali Khan gave me his 15 minutes of speech. When I spoke, many people were angry. They protested as to why I could not speak anything except anti-Ayub stuff and things regarding ‘suppression.” Hence, they never allowed me to speak in the National Assembly in the future.

As far as the media is concerned, I have had serious problems with the media. At times, I wish to speak up. If good news is printed then it will benefit the Baloch people. But the problem is whatever I speak to the interviewers is not presented as it is. Mostly, journalists distort my interviews. Later on, I conditioned my interviews with various media organizations with the fact that they would print or broadcast exactly whatever I said.

MSA: Why do you not write your memoirs?

NKBM: I am so impatient when it comes to writing. I can’t write more than two pages. Even if I hardly mange to write two pages then I tear them. Many people have recommended me the same [that I write a book]. They asked me to narrate my life story so that they would write the book for me.

MSA: What do you do you in your free time?
NKBM: I am trying to learn to use computer and internet. I try to write. I am a bad writer. My friends tell me to learn to use the computer as it is very helpful.

MSA: Do you still read Marxist literature?
NKBM: You can’t easily get Marxist literature these days. I read a little though a lot of it that I had was wasted in the meanwhile.

MSA: Which political figure has inspired you the most?
NKBM: There are a lot of people that I have regard and respect for. Different people have inspired me in their capacity. I have been mainly ignited by the views of Lenin and Mao.

MSA: What do you think about the sacrifice of late Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti? Now even Bramdugh Bugti has taken to the hills. Do you think the Bugtis are doing enough?

NKBM: No body is doing enough. We have to increase our efforts.

MSA: What is your opinion about the newly formed Balochistan Republican Party (BRP) which rejects parliamentary politics and is headed by Nawabzada Bramdugh Bugti?

NKBM: I have my criticism which I do not wish to publicize or express. Wherever I am personally involved along with my family or Akhtar Mengal’s party then I would like to say more. I still refrain [from commenting]. But since you talked of ‘nationalists’, I would like to debate this. None of these [parties] qualify as ‘nationalists’.

MSA: What do you have to say about Nawabzada Bramdugh Bugti?

NKBM: I have a wish and desire that he matures as a useful leader. He has not had the benefit of training of guerilla warfare]. He didn’t have formal education and specialization. He still has to learn a great deal. He is intelligent but requires proper training.

MSA: What is the ideal Baloch land that you dream for? Is it going to be a socialist state?

NKBM: [LAUGHS]. Right now, we are talking of national liberation. There are a lot of things ahead of us. A book titled ‘The Failed Revolution’ states that the American Revolution was initially intended to be a socialist revolution but later on it resulted into a nationalist or a capitalist revolution. There are many destinations of liberation but right now we are talking of national liberation. My support and ideological inclination is for national liberation.
I think no country in the world is completely independent today. Though it is impractical, yet we wish that the Baloch are not dependent and subservient to anyone.

MSA: Give the geographical location of Balochistan, do you think an independent Balochistan is viable?

NKBM: Yes, it is possible. If you see it in the context of the present situation and the world history then you will come to know that only a handful of countries in the world are truly ‘independent’. Some people say America is independent. The question is to what extent the United States is independent. She [USA] is still not free from class dominance.

MSA: Are all the Baloch clear about their demands?
NKBM: No, not all of us. However, day-by-day we are becoming clear about our demands.

MSA: Are you proud of yourself and your sons for the contributions made for the Baloch land?
NKBM:
I have never been proud throughout my life. I don’t think I have sufficiently done my part of the work as a small family. I often say that we Baloch have so many shortcomings that there is no room for being ‘proud’.

MSA: Are you proud to be a Baloch?
NKBM:
I am neither proud nor ashamed of being a Baloch. Yet, this is this element of being ashamed.

MSA: Ashamed of what?
NKBM:
If you are not serving as much as you would like to then I can say that I am ashamed or indebted [to my land]

MSA: Any memories of the past?
NKBM:
Yes, I remember the day when the dead bodies of seven colleagues of Nawab Noroz Khan were being brought to Quetta from a Sukkar jail. They were supposed to be taken to Kalat for burial. All the Baloch leadership, including Sardar Attaullah Mengal, Mir Ghose Baksh Bezinjo, Gul Khan Nasir and I were present. We were asked to make a speech on the occasion. On that day, we saw the magic of Ghosi [Mir Ghose Baksh Bezinjo]. He spoke brilliantly yet tears were streaming from his eyes like rainwater. He was continuously speaking. Believe me it was not one or two drops of tears. When some people cry their throat becomes dried and they can’t speak anymore. On that day, we saw a distinct face of Ghosi. I remember, he was speaking and the tears were coming out like rainwater.

Comments
12 Responses to “EXCLUSIVE: Nawab Khair Baksh Marri Interview Part II”
  1. Asim Gramkani says:

    Sir, it was a wonderfull conversation b/w you and Nawab sb, i really enjoyed reading it. but if there were your pics with nawab sb then it would have been better then this one.

  2. gmcmissing says:

    thank you Gramkani for your kind comments. Will try to upload a picture on the blog.

  3. Talha Masud says:

    Dear Sir, I am encountering problems to post my comment on the concerned interview page. I am pasting it here. If it gets pasted their then please delete it from here. Thanks

  4. Talha Masud says:

    First of all I am extremely sorry for my delayed response and lots of thanks for your kind words about me and providing me good confidence of reading, understanding and analyzing the issues, which are more than mere issues in the present times.

    Your Interview was fabulous. I myself came to discover new things in it. Nawab Marri, is undoubtedly the most prominent Baloch leader after Nawab Akbar Bugti. He uttered many points which made sense, despite the Government’s rebuttals all the time. I was always annoyed on Nawab Bugti’s killing. because I always considered him as the symbol of wisdom, bravery and solutions. He is not amongst us but I must say that his point of view about the Baloch movement was far more applicable. I mean he was always willing to talk with the establishment and no one would deny that he was uncrowned king for all the Baloch in the world just because he never refused to sit on chairs to resolve the problems of Baloch and leading to the most realistic mode.

    I always repeat that arms cannot resolve the present Issues. This gorilla movement is against the Baloch perspective and realistically, earning hatred and disrepute rather than appreciation. Most of Baloch separate themselves with this gun-powder way of dealing with the sensitive Baloch rights and problems. This fight can never be won by the arm movements and amongst the common masses, the campaigns like Tamil Tigers are never acceptable and admired. Many folks may grin on my this statement but I am not reluctant to state that if Baloch people negate the policy of hatred and dis-belief, their issue will be acclaimed by masses and it can either get resolved on political front or at least they influence and can bring change in the minds of the people who can turn the tables over. I know they have been doing this for past many decades but that dimension was very different from the current scenario. More wise and unified efforts by Baloch community will make this Issue a more of everyone’s problem as they say that “Love begets love and force begets hatred”.

    Baloch have to be part of big institutions and have to prosper in science and technology to get acclaimed and then their say would certainly make big difference as a whole, getting their aspirations redeemed in more prolific understanding. I know that Baloch were always neglected and treated as “others” by almost all the Governments just because of a simple reason that they lack unity amongst themselves and they were almost stuck with these issues and remained behind with the thoughts of hatred and prejudice. You can not blame a whole community to be good or bad but when it comes to watching the real picture of the story, then people are required who should be from Baloch community. Problems between communities is not out of course these days, in fact it is very much in course but when we can convince people that out fight is just, then the fight is almost won.

  5. gmcmissing says:

    Dear Talah, THANK YOU SO MUCH….
    I liked the point about the disunity among the Baloch people. True, disunity plus lack of vision have been the biggest problem with the Baloch struggle.
    I would humbly seek a few points’ clarification from you…
    a) Do you think the armed struggle does not really enjoy the support of the common Baloch? At least I think the other way..I guess many Baloch view the BLA and other militant forces as a ” last hope”
    b) How would is it possible for the Baloch to find an “institutional arrangement” with Islamabad when the later only knows the language of brute force?
    For instance, firstly, the Baloch leadership DID become a part of the ‘institutional politics’ in 1970s but Mengal’s popular government was not only undemocratically removed but it followed a deadly operation.
    Secondly, Akbar Bugti had become a part of the ‘institutional’ negotiations with Islamabad when Mushahid Hussain and Ch. Shujaat Hussain visited Dera Bugti in 2005. But the rape of Dr. Shazia Khalid and the en mass arrest of the Baloch political workers and the continuation with the construction work of cantonments in strategically important Baloch areas led to serious confrontation.

    I mean what do you do with Islamabad which, as Nawab Marri in the first interview rightly pointed out, refuses to accept history, logic, realities? Islamabad does not recognize the right of autonomy to the provinces…It does not respect the Baloch leaders. It does not give representation to the Baloch in the civil and armed forces and foreign services? It sends the dead bodies of the Baloch leaders with padlocks on them and denies them a dignified burial.

    c) Why do you use the word ‘community’ for the Baloch? I convincingly believe that the Baloch are a “NATION” in every definition of the word rather than being viewed as ‘ COMMUNITY”.

  6. Talha Masud says:

    Thanks a great deal dear Sir. Here are respective answers of the points you highlighted.

    a) I believe it does not. Mostly Baloch are very much concerned about their struggle and they do have the positive views about the arm movement but their Ideal arm movement is not targeting the innocent people who by no means are in this controversy. The most of Baloch feel that when the Islamabad is heedless about the grown movement of Baloch, then they should be eyeball to eye ball with the Government and their target should ‘directly’ be Government properties or higher authorities. This will not only shake the Government to a big deal but they also get thrashed to an extent. The killing of innocent people is not harming Government much but creating distrust among the communities. I have noticed no good Image about Baloch and they are made responsible for the chaos in the Province. I myself witnessed prominent young Baloch generation see this as a false War.

    I also feel that Government always remain high handed and this whole killing thirst can be erased by the Government if they are really in for it without any fear. The caches of Arms and explosives can be searched out and some sting operation can change the whole scenario or as a last resort, paramilitary forces can be detained in large numbers for search and aggressive operations. I strongly feel that Government is on its back foot and are just playing a role of ‘Serious spectator’ with no any precautionary measures about this havoc. If it happens, then this arm movement will be remembered as one of the most ill_directed movement which, without achieving any goal, gets out of it and noway it would get successful.

    b) I agree with you on this but both the forces, doing what they think of in their best interests will never resolve this. Islamabad feel that the Baloch are rebel and they are always interested in dealing with weapons. The Baloch are frustrated by the Islamabad attitude, fair enough but no group can be more violent than Government. So only negotiation and transformation of movement, more goal oriented and political representation of majority of Baloch can do wonders with this. When it comes to awakening Islamabad about dialogues, then it should be the guts of Baloch leaders rather than supporting the arm movement.

    Considering the past examples of Government’s brutality, it is never easy to bury the hatchet but this I feel is a very good way of heightening the Baloch zest to really solve the issues.

    c) I apologize on using the word ‘Community’ for Baloch Nation. It is a nation of rich culture, history and values. There is no question about that.

  7. Talha Masud says:

    age about Baloch and they are made responsible for the chaos in the Province. I myself witnessed prominent young Baloch generation see this as a false War.

    I also feel that Government always remain high handed and this whole killing thirst can be erased by the Government if they are really in for it without any fear. The caches of Arms and explosives can be searched out and some sting operation can change the whole scenario or as a last resort, paramilitary forces can be detained in large numbers for search and aggressive operations. I strongly feel that Government is on its back foot and are just playing a role of ‘Serious spectator’ with no any precautionary measures about this havoc. If it happens, then this arm movement will be remembered as one of the most ill_directed movement which, without achieving any goal, gets out of it and noway it would get successful.

    b) I agree with you on this but both the forces, doing what they think of in their best interests will never resolve this. Islamabad feel that the Baloch are rebel and they are always interested in dealing with weapons. The Baloch are frustrated by the Islamabad attitude, fair enough but no group can be more violent than Government. So only negotiation and transformation of movement, more goal oriented and political representation of majority of Baloch can do wonders with this. When it comes to awakening Islamabad about dialogues, then it should be the guts of Baloch leaders rather than supporting the arm movement.

    Considering the past examples of Government’s brutality, it is never easy to bury the hatchet but this I feel is a very good way of heightening the Baloch zest to really solve the issues.

    c) I apologize on using the word ‘Community’ for Baloch Nation. It is a nation of rich culture, history and values. There is no question about that.

  8. gmcmissing says:

    Thanks Talha…that clarified many things

  9. Talha Masud says:

    you are always welcome. Good change in the blog.

  10. gmcmissing says:

    Yes, that was a birthday change on the blog…Though I failed to come up with some birthday posts….

  11. I have had the privilege of remaining in the company of Sardar Qaisar Khan,the brother of Sardar Khair Bakhsh Marri as well as Sher Mohammad Marri during my stay at kahan and Maiwand.I have great love for the baloch people and I am rather inspired by their independent nature.My love has been reciprocated by these people for which I am greatly thankfull to them.I still long to visit Maiwand and Kahan and enjot the company of these great people.People of Pakistan must understand the baloch and start loving them instead of exploiting.
    I am nurturing the desire to meet Nawab atleast once who carries a mythical reputation amongst his people.May Allah keep him alive and healthy to see his dreams come true.Ameen .I wish Pakistan could have such a great and vibrant leader who could have raised the status of this country to unimaginable heights

  12. Habib mengal says:

    balocho bharty raho manzel qareeb hai qamiabi tumhary paon chomegi apna azad balochistan bnao

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